[all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

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[all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by zygasbmw » Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:24 pm

sioje temoje diskutuojama apie siu dideliu brandu,variklius.sekmes diskusijose!

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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by DevisRR » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:34 pm

gal kas kokios info užkaupęs turi apie bombintus m42/m44 motorus? žinau kad hartge turėjo 2.1 ir 2.3 versijas, racing dynamics.. būtų įdomu plačiau išgirst :)
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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by vyge » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:05 pm

Buvo toks smagus Mpowerio S42B20, bet gatvines masinos jo nemate gyvenime.
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Post by bachurs » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:31 pm

Apie S42b20:

A racing version of the M42 Engine, called the S42 is known. It was used in BMW's 320 4-door touring car, participating in the German racing series called STW (Super Tourenwagen Cup). It differed by having individual throttle bodies (ITB) for each cylinder and its capacity was enlarged to 1999 cc. It had eight fuel injectors instead of the standard four. Valve cover and airbox were entirely made of carbon fiber. Lubrication was provided by a dry sump system. Compression ratio was increased and a lightweight head was installed.

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Year: 1995 1996 1997
300 hp 308 hp 315 hp


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Post by vyge » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:54 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdjso_ocIA sita manau ir bus su siuo varikliu :) ofigiet.
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Post by DevisRR » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:38 pm

Na S42 tai jau race only :) technologijos ir kainos ten jau toli šaukia :)


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Post by bachurs » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:47 pm

tai darykit tuos 2,1l ir bus gatvinis :)
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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by andrukaz » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:17 am

gal kas turit info apie hartge variklius darytus ant m20 bazes?tokius kaip h26 ar h27,nes nera beveik info normalios internete,labiausiai domintu viskas kas susije su variklio galva,velenelis,isiurbimo ir ismetimo kanalu dydziai ir t.t

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Post by zygasbmw » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:42 pm

mane irgi domina is m20 darytu varikliu hartge bei ac schnitzer viduriai. viska ak radau tai tik e30.de. bet ten info nera daug. gal kas turit daugiau ,pasidalinkit. :yaya

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Post by Syncro » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:12 pm

Gal jau zinoma,bet ieskojau ir radau kazka,nieko gero aisku nera,bet...
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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by andrukaz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:43 am

bet tai idomiai cia raso toj lentelej,kad hartge h26 "engine type m20b25" ir kubatura kaip paprasto m20b25,nes kitur esu rades kad variklis darytas ant m20b23 bazes ir kubature didesne nei 2,5

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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by zygasbmw » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:40 pm

pirmieji buvo daromi is m20b23.poto seke m20b25 ir buvo tiek su 2,5 kubatura tiek su 2,7 kubaturos.

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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by zygasbmw » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:40 pm

Technische Daten HARTGE Motoren im E30
Typ H26 H27 H27SP H35-240PS H35-254PS H35-24 H35-24Export
Hubraum cm3 2494 2693 2693 3428 3428 3453 3453
Bohrung x Hub mm 84x75 84x81 84x81 92x86 92x86 93,4x84 93,4x84
Leistung kW(PS) 140(190)/5900 151(205)/5800 162(220)/5900 178(240)/5900 187(254)/6100 210(286) 6800 244(330)/6800
Drehmoment Nm 240/3900 268/3900 273/4900 325/3800 340/4000 340/4500 355/4500
Verdichtung 10:1 10,2:1 10,2:1 10:1 10,2:1 10,5:1 10,7:1
Brennraumvolumen cm3 38,5-40,0 42,0-42,5 42,0-42,5 58,0-58,5 66,0 Serie 42,0+-0,5
Nockenwelle ° 280/280/112 280/280/112 304/280/108 282/282/110 282/282/110 262/262/112 272/272/110
Zündung Motronic Motronic Motronic Motronic Motronic Motronic Motronic
Einspritzung L-Jetronic L-Jetronic L-Jetronic L-Jetronic L-Jetronic L-Jetronic L-Jetronic
Ölinhalt l 4,5 4,5 4,5 6,5 6,5 6,5 6,5
Leerlaufdrehzahl min-1 850+-50 850+-50 900+-50 850+-50 850+-50 850+-50 850+-50
Abschaltdrehzahl min-1 6850 6850 7000 6350 6350 6900 7200
CO-Gehalt % 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5 0,5-1,5
Zündzeitpunkt °v.OT 10°/850 10°/850 10°/850 10°/850 10°/850 10°/850 10°/850
Ventilspiel (ca. 20°C) mm 0,25/0,25 0,25/0,25 0,25/0,25 0,30/0,30 0,30/0,30 0,35/0,35 0,35/0,35
Getriebeübersetzung
3,83/2,20/
1,40/1,0/0,81 3,83/2,20/
1,40/1,0/0,81 3,83/2,40/
1,40/1,0/0,81 3,72/2,40/
1,77/1,26/1,0 3,72/2,40/
1,77/1,26/1,0 3,72/2,40/
1,77/1,26/1,0 3,72/2,40/
1,77/1,26/1,0
HA-Getriebe 3,64 3,91 3,91 2,93 2,93 2,93 2,93

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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by andrukaz » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:47 am

o gal kartais yra kokia tiksli info apie galvas naudotas ant situ varikliu?esme tokia,kad yra galimybe gaut h26 bloka,tai be galvos as manau jis nelabai kuom ypatingas,tai domina viskas kas susije su galva,nes kiek suprantu tas h26 darytas is m20b23 tai galva irgi turi but siaurastopio.velenelis manau padaryt dideliu problemu nesudaro,bet labiausiai idomu del isiurbimo,ismetimo kanalu dydzio bei voztuvu

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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by zygasbmw » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:16 pm

na sitas bus padarytas is m20b25. blokas yra imamaas stock. taigi blokas niekuo nesiiskiria o vat galva jau skiriasi. zinau kas turejo toky varikly,ir dirzas truko.sulankste voztuvus.tai zodziu kanalu neteko pamatuoti,bet voztuvai jeigu dabar gerai pamenu,tai 1,25mm didesni negu stock m20b25.plius aisku velenelis irgi kitoks.

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Post by Topazas » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:17 pm

kazkas apie Hartge M44
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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by med5 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:14 pm

cia matyti keleta duomenu h 2.1
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Post by otto » Sun May 23, 2010 10:25 am

Gal kas esat uzmate kur nors Alpinos e39 3.2 pravodke?Ji labai panasi i M52 B28 bet yra keletas neaiskiu fiskuciu kurios neduoda ramybes.
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Re: [all] alpina,hartge,ac schnitzer,ir kt.

Post by bikerinis » Tue May 03, 2011 9:09 pm

Gal kas zinot alpina b3 e36 veleneliu fazes?
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